Сообщений в теме: 221

[pavel_dobriy]

"забить болт" можно до появления подзаконных актов и "инструкций". а вот потом будем посмотреть как регистрировать и почем. 

[Bil]

Кстати, для справки.

Завтра представители ФАСР в Москве, по всей вероятности будут встречаться с рабочей группой для определения позиций и возможности внесения поправок в этот закон.

Ну хватит уже стонать то на диване!!!! 

[ХоХоЛ]

Будем надеяться на ФАСР....они узаконят наши модели...а мы купим лицензии (оптом) со скидкой...и будем лятать......и на соревы ездить......и с марками всё в порядке будет....и курс 34 рубля верните

Сообщение отредактировал ХоХоЛ: 21 Jan 2016 - 22:30

[koha]

А что делать обычному рядовому моделисту? Сидеть на диване и молиться на лучшее? Или надо как-то шевелиться?

[Bil]

Значит не зря такую кучу времени потратили.
Василий, спасибо.

[Dennis]

 по пути предлагаемому коллегами из Санкт-Петербурга.

Извините, а можно поинтересоваться, что за путь предлагают коллеги?

[PapaMaxa]

А что делать обычному рядовому моделисту? Сидеть на диване и молиться на лучшее? Или надо как-то шевелиться?

Правильно Саша мыслишь! Обязательно молиться! Ну и шевелиться не помешает!  :-)

[Dennis]

 Нужно для полнаго счастія нашей родины, чтобы мужикъ, говоря стихомъ Державина, «ѣлъ добры щи и пиво пилъ». Если это есть — значитъ, страна кипитъ млекомъ и медомъ и вездѣ чувствуется благораствореніе воздуховъ и изобиліе плодовъ земныхъ...

М.Е. Салтыков-Щедрин.

[pilotkuts]

Как вариант - возвращение цифры 30 кг вместо 0,25 кг, именно она изначально была в законопроекте.

Сообщение отредактировал pilotkuts: 22 Jan 2016 - 13:41

[Hoary]

В декабре мною был сделан запрос в думу о новом законе,

 

duma.jpg

1. А можно ознакомиться с текстом запроса?

2. Вчера на канале Россия-1 прошел сюжет на эту тему:

http://russia.tv/vid...deo_id/1431444/

прокрутите его до времени 46:40.

Спасибо.

[droomboy]

Все это происходит примерно так:  <iframe src="https://vk.com/video...b7808674255cd7"width="607" height="360" frameborder="0"></iframe>

[Dennis]

Последние новости из ФАСР. https://www.dropbox....письма.mp3?dl=0

[Василий Афанасьев]

fantastic! (ударение произносить на буква "ай")....(

[petlya]

1. А можно ознакомиться с текстом запроса?

 

Спасибо.

Сам текст запроса набирается и отправляется онлайн, после регистрации на сайте gov (это правительственные сайты). В запросе я спрашивал о том, что у меня в кружке ребята делают модели самолётиков из пенопласта на радиоуправлении весом 500 гр. Надо ли мне регистрировать эти 40 самолётов ежегодно? Если да, то где и как?

Ответ вы видели.

А для инициативной группы не надо изобретать велосипед. Подобные законы уже давно приняты в других странах и авиамоделизм, и авиамодельный спорт там не умерли. Возможно, в этот раз, надо воспользоваться опытом "зарубежных товарищей"(?)

Вот, например в африке разрушили 17 мифов о законе про дроны:

17 MYTHS ABOUT THE NEW REGULATIONS FOR DRONES

On May 17th this year new regulations for operating Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems (RPAS) in South Africa were announced. These new regulations will take effect from July 1st, and there has been some confusion about the regulations.

Myth: All drone operators must have a pilot licence.

False. The drone operator does not need a pilot licence if he is operating for private or hobby use. The Remote Pilots Licence (RPL) is only required for commercial, corporate and non-profit use. The RPL is less complex and time consuming as a full sized PPL licence.

Myth: The RPL drone pilot licence will cost R150 000, similar to full sized PPL.

False. This crazy figure was invented, and later published in the media, as some started to believe it. The true cost of the RPL licence is nowhere close to that of a full size PPL.

How much will it cost then? Indications are a few hundred Rands for the online theory exam (only 1 exam for RPL), and a few hundred Rands for the practical skills test, plus a few hundred Rands for final application (with proof of completion) for the actual RPL licence.

Myth: A medical class 4 is required to fly a drone.

False. The new drone regulations allow for medical self assessment, and do not require a medical certificate for drones smaller than 20kg (larger than 20kg is not yet possible).

If you need to fly beyond visual line of sight (BVLOS) or if you fail the medical self assessment, then you only need to do a full medical Class 4. But for the majority of drone pilots, simply complete the self assessment.

Myth: The requirement for English Language Proficiency is unnecessary.

False. English is the standard language required in aviation world wide. The test is done to ensure you are able to communicate in English.

Myth: No flying closer than 50m from people – so I can not film them?

False. The regulations allow private and commercial pilots to fly closer than 50m from people if those people are part of the operation and under the control of the drone pilot. So you certainly can fly close to people under your control, but can not fly close to public or people not under your control.

[Image – CC by 2.0/Richard Unten]

Also, commercial drone operations will be able to get special permission to fly close to people to accomplish their work, and this will be described in the operations manual, including mitigation of risk.

Myth: No flying closer than 10km from an airport – that rules out most towns and cities.

Not quite true. The regulations allow commercial pilots with an air band radio, and approved ROC to fly closer than 10km from airports, provided they communicate with the ATC in controlled airspace. Also, commercial drone operations will be able to get special permission to fly close to airports to accomplish their work, and this will be described in the operations manual, including mitigation of risk.

Private (hobby) drone pilots will not be able to fly closer than 10km from an airport, even if the airport gives them permission this is not allowed in the new regulations. So if you see a drone flying just about anywhere in a town or city, if its not a licensed commercial drone with clear registration marks, chances are its an illegal private operator.

This is nothing new, as model aircraft have also for a long time been restricted from flying closer than 5nm (9.3km) from any airports. Special flying fields have been approved by the SACAA for members of SAMAA (SA Model Aircraft Association) to use under controlled conditions. These fields often fall within the 5nm limit from airports, but are allowed under special permission.

Myth: Drones can fly up to 400 feet above the ground.

Not entirely true. All private drones may only fly under RVLOS, which is a bit more restrictive than VLOS. RVLOS means the private drone may only fly as high as the highest object within 300m lateral distance of the drone. In other words: as high as the trees or towers in the area. Often this would be much lower than 400 feet allowed in VLOS.

Only commercial drone pilots can fly in VLOS (up to 400 feet AGL).

Myth: Drones are cheap, small and easy to fly.

False. While the consumer market is flooded with small and cheap drones, that does not mean all are small and cheap. Many commercial drones are quite a bit larger, and many weigh between 5-20kg, and could cause substantial damage when they crash.

[Image – Adam Oxford]

While most drones are easy to learn to fly, the systems that allow this are usually made up from cheap consumer grade components, and are prone to failure. The higher end drones are generally more reliable, but are also prone to failure if not built and maintained to a high standard.

Too often new pilots are drawn in to a false sense of control, as they learn to fly basic movements in just a few minutes. But when a GPS system fails (for example under a bridge or between trees) the pilot suddenly realises he does not have the skill to fly manually. Taking the time to learn to fly properly, without relying on GPS and stabilisers, makes a far more competent pilot.

Myth: Full-sized aircraft always fly above 500 feet anyway, so there is no chance of a collision with drones.

False. Full sized aircraft actually often fly lower than 500 feet AGL (above ground level). Police choppers and air ambulances fly low, and take off and land just about anywhere that is safe for them to do so. Crop sprayers and game capture aircraft fly low almost all the time.

It is the responsibility of the drone pilot to give way to manned aircraft. Some make use of a spotter to help identify low flying aircraft in the area.

Myth: A drone is just a model aircraft with a camera on it.

False. Many drones do not have cameras or any such sensors. Simply removing the camera from a drone does not suddenly make it a model aircraft. The key difference between a drone (RPAS) and a model aircraft is what it is used for.

Myth: An RC helicopter or RC airplane can not be a drone.

False. Some try to hide behind this, and falsely claim that their model aircraft are not drones at all, so the new regulations to do not apply to them. But the regulations clearly define RPAS (drones) as separate from model aircraft. Three types are drone pilot license are available: Multi-Rotor Drones, Fixed Wing Drones and Helicopter Drones. The key difference between a model aircraft and an RPAS (drone) is what the intended use is.

[Image – CC by 2.0/Lee]

Model Aircraft are only for recreational purposes and can not be used commercially. Model aircraft can not be registered with SACAA, and are very restricted as to where they can be operated legally.

Myth: Drone regulations are much more restrictive than model aircraft regulations.

False. Actually the regulations for RPAS (drones) are much LESS restrictive than the regulations for model aircraft. RPAS can be operated just about anywhere (with commercial licence), and can be operated at night (model aircraft may not fly at night). Model aircraft may not be operated for commercial purposes, but RPAS (drones) may be used commercially (with correct licenses).

Myth: The new regulations must then also apply to paper airplanes and toys.

False. The regulations clearly define toys as separate and do not fall under the new regulations for drones (RPAS) or model aircraft. Toys are “designed or intended for use in play by children.”

Myth: I will then simply classify my DJI Phantom (or similar) as a “toy”.

False. The regulations already clearly classify RPAS (drones), model aircraft and toys. The DJI Phantom (or similar) certainly is an RPAS (drone), and can not be classified as a toy, or a model aircraft.

Myth: The SACAA will never be able to enforce this, nobody is going to catch me anyway.

False. The SACAA has indicated they have an enforcement plan, and an education plan to ensure the public and SAP police and other enforcement agencies are aware of, and empowered to enforce, the new regulations.

Myth: My clients don’t care, I will still have lots of business without an RPL drone licence.

False. Clients will not want to take on the additional risk of employing an unlicensed drone pilot. It will also become very difficult to get proper insurance cover for unlicensed commercial drone pilots. Clients will seek out seasoned professionals with proper licenses and paperwork, as well as good insurance and public liability cover.

Myth: The drone licence is going to be impossibly hard and complicated to get.

False. Some have already started working on complying to the new regulations for commercial drones, and have already achieved many of the requirements. The process may very well have teething problems, and it could be that the first few applications take months to process. Effort will be required, and serious business people will put in the required time and resources to operate legally.

These are just a few of the myths out there, creating a lot of confusion for drone owners and members of the public.

For a clear explanation of the new drone regulations in South Africa, and the process to comply, visit www.safedrone.co.za

This article was written by John Gore, creator of Safedrone for htxt.africa.

[Dennis]

Вот и мне пришёл ответ из Минтранса:

 

 

Естественно, это отписка, но всё ещё только начинается. Коллеги, читаем, и у кого ещё есть порох в пороховницах и ягоды в ягодицах, читаем и пишем:

http://www.ramsf.ru/...&p=55796#p55796

 

[Dennis]

Кто живой, вдохновляемся речью геноссе Бабинцева, внимательно читаем тут, регистрируемся и пишем здесь: 

http://regulation.go...earch#npa=44942

 

http://regulation.go...earch#npa=44943

 

http://regulation.go...jects#npa=44945

 

Самое интересное, что предложения реально читают, и рассматривают. 

[Драненков]

http://regulation.go...jects#npa=44945

 

Посмотрите тут

[Драненков]

Виноват Денис уже выложил!

[Dennis]

Проект по нормам лётной годности http://regulation.go...jects#npa=44941

 

Проект по персоналу и выдаче свидетельств http://regulation.go...jects#npa=45629

[Vyacheslav]

Вот такую статью прочитал  http://www.fontanka.ru/2016/02/02/104/

я так понимаю законопроект на выдачу есть, а изъятия аппаратов и наказания владельцев нет

будут фсбшники нас выщемлять, аппараты изымать, где то их хранить, а нас наказывать... бред..

получается, что государство хочет всем детям своей страны, кто интересуется авиамоделями показать средний палец руки

надо Путину писать, походу он единственный, кто способен у виска покрутить пальцем